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December 8th, 2010


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12:57 pm - Rereading Harry Potter
I have some questions with no answers.

Sirius found out after his brother Regulus died that he was killed by Voldemort or Death Eaters because he's had a change of heart and tried to stop being a Death Eater or refused to carry out Voldemort's orders. When we find out what actually happened to Regulus, it seems like Voldemort would never have known about his change of heart. Unless he was trying to do damage control by putting out that he'd had Regulus killed because he vanished without a trace and no one wants to think a powerful wizard could mislay a supporter. We know that Voldemort never knew Regulus had stolen the locket. The only thing he knew for sure was that after Kreature had helped him, Regulus disappeared. I can believe that because of the Death Eater tattoo, Voldemort would have known he was dead, there being no one on the other end of the Regulus communicator, as it were. But as to the why and where, clearly that was unknown or Voldemort would have shifted himself to find the locket soonest.

Booklists for year 7. Did Harry, Ron, and Hermione get their booklists? Normally, owls can find their owners to deliver letters, but presumably they didn't arrive until after the wedding. For Ron, they probably would have delivered to the Burrow, but they had no problem finding Harry in the Cottage on the Sea (although it arrived with Hagrid) so why would they not be able to deliver to Harry wherever he was? Or Hermione wherever she was. Come to that, why can't they detect that Ron isn't at home? Owls find Sirius (eventually) who is on the run, so wouldn't they be able to test whether Ron is home by sending him an owl, and seeing where it goes?

Edited to add:

Hermione says when they're in the tea shop having just defeated the two Death Eaters after escaping the wedding that she's never done memory charms, but understands the theory. How did she modify her parents memories if she's never done memory charms? What did she do instead? I think that's an editing/continuity error, personally. Bad editor! Bad!

Is SPT's prophesy in Prisoner of Azkaban to HJP in the Hall of Prophecy (I mean, before the kids smashed up the room) and how it is marked? I got the impression that things got in the hall of prophesy by being sort of Pensively extracted and captured in a crystal ball and collected, but what if it was a more automated process? Magic is detectable, and therefore so could prophecy. But clearly it doesn't solve its own riddles as evidenced by the label on the STP/APWBD prophecy in which Harry's name was written in later, after being attacked by Voldemort. So if it was an automated process where the prophecy just appears when uttered, it should appear like this, "SPT to HJP. Dark Lord and Sirius Black. If it survived the night at ministry, it should have been relabeled, "SPT to HJP. Dark Lord and Peter Pettigrew." It doesn't make sense, in my opinion, that Dumbledore would be able to report on the prophecy since he didn't directly hear it. So if a prophecy happens and no one knows to report it to the ministry, did it happen?

Edited to add:

Peter Pettigrew/Sirius Black/Death Eaters. I can understand why the DE have no particular interest in clearing the air on the Sirius Black vs Peter Pettigrew, "who is the traitor," issue. It's surprising to me that Karkaoff doesn't try to throw the blame to Peter Pettigrew during his trial, but on the other hand, why would the ministry pay off for dead Death Eater and it seemed like everyone, including Black, believed Black killed Pettigrew. Karkaoff says that V tried to keep his Death Eaters away from each other, but yet Black says earlier that the imprisoned Death Eaters in Azakaban blame Pettigrew for Voldemort's downfall. How did they know who to blame? I guess I understand that Bellatrix would know Sirius was more likely to be Order of the Phoenix than Voldemort, and possibly even who the traitor was, but it seems like if it's common knowledge within Azkaban, how did the Ministry of Magic and Dumbledore NEVER hear about it? I can understand the Dementors not caring, but it seems like some of the prisoners might have mentioned at some point.

My other question is the DE tattoo. It seems like the Ministry would find a way to make the tattoo show itself so they could confirm who is DE and who isn't. Also, it seems like, from Draco's experience in Madam Malkin's, that the tattoo is visible all the time. Otherwise, why would he feel the need to conceal his arm? Possibly it's a new tattoo so it takes time to fade into the skin? Maybe? But it seems like as long as V is strong, it displays.

I think that might be all for now.
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From:bnkybrdwybby
Date:December 10th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
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Wait...I haven't read the book in a while...

How do we know Sirius found out that his brother was dead if we didn't know he existed until the last book after Sirius' death? I kind of assumed Regulus died failing at what Ron succeeded to do, overcoming Voldemort's weird mind illusion....thing, and that's how Voldemort knew that Regulus stole the locket.

I believe seventh-year classes don't receive book lists; I would assume they get them during the school year as they did in HBP (they select classes once they arrive at Hogwarts).

As far as Hermionie, the only plausible explanation for this would be that the movie got it wrong and Hermionie simply did a Confundus charm on her parents, and Obliviate with the Death Eaters. She mentions later in the book that she can lift the charm off of her parents, I don't think it would be as easy to counter Obliviate.

I'm not sure about the last one at all. I just think of Dumbledore as an unexplainably omniscient character...
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From:bnkybrdwybby
Date:December 10th, 2010 02:28 pm (UTC)
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Edit:
Oops I forgot that Black was mentioned briefly in other books, but still, how did Black know about his death if Harry didn't find out what Horcruxes were until the sixth book? There we go.
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From:mdyesowitch
Date:December 10th, 2010 02:53 pm (UTC)
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Well, he would have known about his death. It's hard to keep that secret, even from estranged family. His parents certainly would have known, and as an Order of the Phoenix member, Black would certainly have been keeping track of known Death Eaters.

The question is WHY he died and how, and no one seems to know that except Kreature who was ordered to secrecy, so how did the rumors spring up? Did Voldemort spread them because he couldn't find Regulus and assumed he'd run and didn't want to give anyone the idea that you could run from Voldemort? Did the Order spread them because Regulus vanished and was presumed dead, because they knew *they* didn't kill him?

I'm also about to add another question.
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From:mdyesowitch
Date:December 10th, 2010 03:07 pm (UTC)
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It's possible from what Black says that he heard (more) about Regulus's death in Azkaban from the Death Eaters. But again, they would know what Voldemort told them. And so I wonder what Voldemort think happened to Regulus.
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From:mdyesowitch
Date:December 10th, 2010 02:47 pm (UTC)
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Sirius/Regulus - During Order of the Phoenix, Sirius tells Harry about his family in general, and his younger brother and his death. Here's the quote:
"Was he killed by an Auror?" Harry asked tentatively.
"Oh, no," said Sirius. "No, he was murdered by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders more likely; I doubt Regulus was ever important enough to be killed by Voldemort in person. From what I found out after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out."
Later in Half Blood Prince, Lupin comments that Karkaoff lasted longer than he expected before being killed; that Regulus Black hadn't lasted nearly as long.

It's very clear from Kreature's story in Deathly Hallows that Regulus died at the hands of the Inferi trying to drink water after drinking Voldemort's poison potion. It's equally clear from Deathly Hallows that Voldemort doesn't know his locket is missing or who took it because if he did, he wouldn't check to see if it was missing.

Possibly you're right about the book lists, although I'm not sure. Fred and George got booklists in Order of the Phoenix and that was their 7th year, right? Cause they apparate into bedroom and immediately start speculating on the new DADA teacher based on the fact that the Slinkheart book was selected.
Fred and George Apparated right beside Harry. He was so used to the doing this by now that didn't even fall of his chair.
"We were just wondering who set the Slinkhard book," said Fred conversationally.
So they didn't need to see Harry and Ron's booklists to know that was the book.

A Confundus charm might work, but here's what Hermione says about it in the book, "I've also modified my parents' memories so that they're convinced they're really called Wendell and Monica Wilkins, and that their life's ambition is to move to Australia, which they have now done. That's to make it more difficult for Voldemort to track them down and interrogate them about me - or you, because unfortunately, I've told them quite a bit about you. Assuming I survive our hunt for the Horcruxes, I'll find Mom and Dad and lift the enchantment. If I don't - well, I think I've cast a good enough charm to get them safe and happy. Wendell and Monica Wilkins don't know that they've got a daughter, you see."
It's possible that a charmed memory modification is different than a memory wipe. I assumed when Crouch Sr. put the memory mod on Bertha, it was the same spell that Lockheart was so famous for, but I'm willing to examine the possibility that, in fact, Crouch and Hermione used the same spell to modify memories and that the spell for memory wiping that Lockheart used is the same as the one Hermione uses on the Death Eaters.
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From:bnkybrdwybby
Date:December 10th, 2010 04:42 pm (UTC)
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I only have a little time right now so I'll just do the last one.
I feel like it was mentioned in an earlier book that Snape still had the tattoo on him, like Harry had seen it out of context in an early book. Therefore, while they could identify new members, those who had been followers initially could just blame it on the Imperious Curse...

More to come later.

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