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July 6th, 2007

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09:52 am - Why prayer isn't meaningful
I was just saying a prayer for the health of a friend's nephew (3 year old in the hospital for surgery on his stomach) and I don't know whether I've never said this particular prayer for the sick or I've never read the translation, but in the middle of prayer it says something to the effect of, if you do everything right, I won't visit sickness upon you, no women will miscarry, no women will be infertile...etc.

Am I honestly supposed to buy into that?

I can believe in a benevolent G-d who wants to be worshipped, and I can believe in a natural order of things, even considering I think a benevolent G-d wouldn't want us suffer, but I cannot believe that all I have to do in order to not be sick, to be fertile and carry a baby to term is to be flawlessly perfect AND for everyone around me to flawlessly perfect. Are you kidding me? Who thought that concept would bring comfort and healing? Prayers are a man-made construct meant to express our feelings, needs, and desires, but that doesn't mean they should set up unreasonable expectations on either side.

And while I'm reading this prayer thinking, "I can't pray like this. I honestly don't believe it. Not only do I not believe it. I believe the opposite." I do not believe that sickness and death are punishments for bad behaviour. I believe that in ancient times, there was a limited correlation (like leprosy being divine punishment), and in modern times, there's even less correlation.

I know prayers aren't the words of G-d, they're the words of man and man is fallible, but doesn't this just re-emphasize the point I've been making all along, that I need to find my own prayer voice and build on it to create something meaningful, something I can attach to, rather than just mouth while thinking "how stupid is this idea?" If I'm going to say something stupid to G-d or to anyone, shouldn't it be my own stupid thoughts, not just randomly codified stupid thoughts.

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Date:July 6th, 2007 02:04 pm (UTC)
I remember hearing about a study on the radio where they had 4 groups

Group 1 did not get prayer, and were not told either way if they were getting it or not. (control group)

Group 2 did get prayer, and were not told they were getting prayer.

Group 3 did get prayer, and were told that they were getting prayer.

Group 4 didn't get prayer, and were told that they were getting prayer.

The study showed that the people that were told that others were praying for them did WORSE. - http://www.slate.com/id/2139373/
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Date:July 6th, 2007 02:19 pm (UTC)
Boy, I hope Solies doesn't read this. It would depress him.
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Date:July 6th, 2007 08:00 pm (UTC)
Marci, I've never in my life ever seen a bad thing happen to a good person. Good people never die, you know. They never get sick. Bad things never happen to them. They never struggle.

I think G-d is more interested in YOU, rather than the words made up by wise men thousands of years ago. I won't comment on your religious beliefs, agree with them or not as I may, but I will say that if He is omnipotent enough as to be able to create the eyeball, He's bigger than to worry about the minute detail, in my book.

Times get tough for people in different ways. Some have it much harder than others. I don't think He would turn his back on someone who is imperfect....just like every other human being He ever made.
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Date:July 9th, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC)
Marci, I've never in my life ever seen a bad thing happen to a good person. Good people never die, you know. They never get sick. Bad things never happen to them. They never struggle.

I'm hoping this is irony.
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Date:July 9th, 2007 12:51 pm (UTC)
Of course it is.
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Date:July 9th, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC)
Don't you mean "where I sound like the opposite of a raving fundamentalist loony?"

Being fundamentalist would be saying, "yup, that's what it says, that's what it means, end of story."
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Date:July 9th, 2007 01:32 pm (UTC)
Ironically, I did some more research (checking the citations in the prayer book) and discovered, it's actually a direct quote from Exodus (Ch 27, I think).

But in other news, I've been doing some supplemental reading of books on prayer with a female focus and I'm finding out some very interesting things. I expect there will be another post soonish.

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